Comments on: The British Empire & Eclipse Aviation http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/ Business advice from start ups to shut downs. Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:10:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Aviation Marketing Intelligence » Blog Archive » Dayjet & Wallstreet: Falling Down 2.0 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-6370 Aviation Marketing Intelligence » Blog Archive » Dayjet & Wallstreet: Falling Down 2.0 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:35:51 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-6370 [...] the case of Dayjet, we doubted the airplane, the viability of the model, etc., even though they appeared to be the strongest [...] […] the case of Dayjet, we doubted the airplane, the viability of the model, etc., even though they appeared to be the strongest […]

]]> By: Adam http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5917 Adam Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:45:39 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5917 Paul, Your comment is well timed. Based on the type of input you offer above, we've actually developed a service at http://www.rsvpair.com that allows the progressive marketeer (operator) to solicit jet owners that are looking for management deals. The key though, we found (after 10 years of full court press in the space), is to help jet owners first, build trust, then, once you've built the trust as a brand that won't railroad them into "your" solution.. you can get an audience with a wider variety of them than you ever possibly imagined. Never mind the legions of fractional owners who exit their programs looking for something a little more customized with some revenue. --Adam Paul,

Your comment is well timed. Based on the type of input you offer above, we’ve actually developed a service at http://www.rsvpair.com that allows the progressive marketeer (operator) to solicit jet owners that are looking for management deals. The key though, we found (after 10 years of full court press in the space), is to help jet owners first, build trust, then, once you’ve built the trust as a brand that won’t railroad them into “your” solution.. you can get an audience with a wider variety of them than you ever possibly imagined.

Never mind the legions of fractional owners who exit their programs looking for something a little more customized with some revenue.

–Adam

]]> By: Adam http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5916 Adam Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:34:36 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5916 well put Rob - that is the "tall order" and I couldn't find legal docs showing that that was the claim (just the subpoena) but the AIN bit did show that indeed that is what he is claiming, which is fairly obtuse in light of the fact the bloggers (to me) appear to be trying to figure out what the end game is behind all the smoke and mirrors - on a related note (broken businesses), this piece just got published by IRMI and I'll be throwing a copy of it up here soon too... http://www.irmi.com/Expert/Articles/2008/Webster04.aspx well put Rob - that is the “tall order” and I couldn’t find legal docs showing that that was the claim (just the subpoena) but the AIN bit did show that indeed that is what he is claiming, which is fairly obtuse in light of the fact the bloggers (to me) appear to be trying to figure out what the end game is behind all the smoke and mirrors - on a related note (broken businesses), this piece just got published by IRMI and I’ll be throwing a copy of it up here soon too… http://www.irmi.com/Expert/Articles/2008/Webster04.aspx

]]> By: Addison http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5913 Addison Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:58:38 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5913 Appropos of your view, this podcast concurs with you 100%. http://iagblog.podomatic.com/entry/2008-04-24T09_45_37-07_00 Appropos of your view, this podcast concurs with you 100%.

http://iagblog.podomatic.com/entry/2008-04-24T09_45_37-07_00

]]> By: Rob Mark http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5912 Rob Mark Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:54:56 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5912 "Irreparable harm" ... that is a tall order. There are times when it is best to hold your tongue. For Eclipse, I think they'll look back on this mess one day and realize this should have been one of those times. Vern's action simply confirms to me and other aviation industry snoops that Eclipse is worried. What should worry them most Adam, is that much of what is printed on the Eclipse Aviation Critic blog turns out to be accurate. That means there are Eclipse insiders sending information under the door. That's one thing that is driving Vern crazy I'm sure. But too, if much of what the blog had to say was not true, Eclipse would have probably sued them for liable a long time ago. Vern and Eclipse do deserve considerable credit for the industry markers they've created. But as you also pointed out, they've really squandered the their goodwill bank account. My guess is that's going to catch up with them pretty soon. Rob www.jetwhine.com “Irreparable harm” … that is a tall order. There are times when it is best to hold your tongue. For Eclipse, I think they’ll look back on this mess one day and realize this should have been one of those times. Vern’s action simply confirms to me and other aviation industry snoops that Eclipse is worried. What should worry them most Adam, is that much of what is printed on the Eclipse Aviation Critic blog turns out to be accurate. That means there are Eclipse insiders sending information under the door. That’s one thing that is driving Vern crazy I’m sure.

But too, if much of what the blog had to say was not true, Eclipse would have probably sued them for liable a long time ago.

Vern and Eclipse do deserve considerable credit for the industry markers they’ve created. But as you also pointed out, they’ve really squandered the their goodwill bank account. My guess is that’s going to catch up with them pretty soon.

Rob
www.jetwhine.com

]]> By: Paul D. Schulte http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5911 Paul D. Schulte Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:22:55 +0000 http://adamwebster.com/2008/04/28/british-empire-eclipse-aviation/#comment-5911 Like your web site and found it very informative, Thank you! Love to discuss better ideas (mousetrap) on charter and "Prudent Aircraft Management" that is in the interest of the clients as well as the Certificate Holder. Revenue certainly offsets the fixed costs, and the infrastructure/manpower routinely associated with a reputable 135 operation (Dispatch, Operations, Maintenance, Avionics, Fuel programs besides home based fuel discounts line services, etc.) is certainly a benefit. Thanks for including me in your email I look forward to more information in the future. Paul D. Schulte New World Aviation (ABE) Like your web site and found it very informative, Thank you! Love to discuss better ideas (mousetrap) on charter and “Prudent Aircraft Management” that is in the interest of the clients as well as the Certificate Holder. Revenue certainly offsets the fixed costs, and the infrastructure/manpower routinely associated with a reputable 135 operation (Dispatch, Operations, Maintenance, Avionics, Fuel programs besides home based fuel discounts line services, etc.) is certainly a benefit.

Thanks for including me in your email I look forward to more information in the future.

Paul D. Schulte
New World Aviation (ABE)

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